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Notes on John 8:31-37; John 8:51-55

Introduction: The verses in question are John 8:31-32, 51-55. First in this study is to understand the words 
Jesus is teaching. They are The Truth. The Truth Gives life. Theses disciples were not saved.
In verse 32 Christ told them the truth shall make you free. If they had been saved their souls would already 
been free.
 
     The Jews were looking for a material King. There is a use of words the writer used at the inspiration 
of God. 2 Tim 3:16. Most of the Followers up to this time believed on him. People around the world believe there
is a god. It is one thing to believe on Jesus and to believe in Jesus, to take Him into your heart. Their problem
 is they had not the Holy Ghost dwelling in them . The Comforter had not yet come.
   Theses disciples were not saved. As we study our hope is that you will take any preconceived ideas out of 
you mind. That you will take an honest look making an informed decision. 
     A word about the use of Several translations. They are all translated by men. The most widely read in the
 history of the world is the KJV of 1769. If was ordered by a person that was not religious. He picked seventy men
 who were more scared of King James than scared of God. 
   They were paid by The King. If you listen to a preacher or teachers teach, one is taking their word as correct,
Just remember they are only men.
    Do you use any ones else's writings, they are written by man some are more spirited that others. There are
 authors which allowed the Holy Spirit more than others.  1 John 4:1 
    All translations have errors in them. God's original word is infallible. 2 Tim 3:16. 
 we are commanded to Study for ourselves  2 Tim 2:15.
     The student is held ultimately responsibly for what the student believes. What they believe Determines 
were one will spend eternality. Heaven or Hell ( the lake of Fire ). 
   More explanation of the following Scriptures, follow theses scriptures. A word about the use of Several translations. They are all translated by men.

The student is held ultimately responsibly for what the student believes.

More Commentary after the verses.
John 8:31 KJVThen said Jesus to those Jews which 
         believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then 
         are ye my disciples indeed;
      32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall 
           make you free.
      33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and 
           were never in bondage to any man: how sayest 
           thou, Ye shall be made free? 
      34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto 
           you,  Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
      35  And the servant abideth not in the house
             for ever: but the Son abideth ever. 
     36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, 
           ye shall  be free indeed.
      37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek 
          to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.

 John 8:51 KJV 
     51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, 
           If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.
     52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that 
          thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the 
          prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my 
          saying, he shall never taste of death.
     53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is 
          dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?
     54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is 
          nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of 
          whom ye say, that he is your God:
     55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and 
           if you should say, I know him not, 
           I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him,
           and keep his saying.
 

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John 8:31-37,51 NIV
    31 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, 
            "If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples.
      32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will 
           set you free." 
      33 They answered him, "We are Abraham's 
            descendants and have never been slaves of 
            anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?"
      34 Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, everyone 
             who sins is a slave to sin.
       35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the 
            family, but a son belongs to it forever.
       36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. 
       37 I know you are Abraham's descendants.
            Yet you are ready to kill me,
            because you have no room for my  word.

John 8:51-55 NIV 
        51 I tell you the truth, if anyone keeps my word, 
             he will never see death." 
        52 At this the Jews exclaimed, "Now we know that 
              you are demon-possessed! Abraham died and 
              so did the prophets, yet you say that if anyone 
              keeps your word, he will never taste death.
         53 Are you greater than our father Abraham? 
              He died, and so did the prophets. 
              Who do you think you are?" 
          54 Jesus replied, "If I glorify myself, my glory 
                means nothing. My Father, whom you claim
                as your God, is the one who glorifies me.
          55 Though you do not know him, I know him.
                If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you,
                but I do know him and keep his word.
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John 8:31-55 CEV
      31 Jesus told the people who had faith in him, 
                “If you keep on obeying what I have said,
                  you truly are my disciples.
        32 You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
        33 They answered, “We are Abraham’s children!
               We have never been anyone’s slaves.
               How can you say we will be set free?”
        34 Jesus replied: I tell you for certain that
               anyone who sins is a slave of sin!
        35 And slaves don’t stay in the family forever, 
               though the Son will always remain in the family.
        36 If the Son gives you freedom, you are free!
        37 I know that you are from Abraham’s family. 
              Yet you want to kill me, because my message 
              isn’t really in your hearts.
        38 I am telling you what my Father has shown me,
              just as you are doing what your father has taught you.

John 8:51
       51 I tell you for certain that if you obey my 
               words, you will never die.”
       52 Then the people said, “Now we are sure that
              you have a demon. Abraham is dead, and so
              are the prophets. How can you say that no one 
              who obeys your words will ever die?
       53 Are you greater than our father Abraham? 
             He died, and so did the prophets. 
             Who do you think you are?”
       54 Jesus replied, “If I honored myself, it would
             mean nothing. My Father is the one who
             honors me. You claim that he is your God,
       55 even though you don’t really know him. 
             If I said I didn’t know him, I would be a liar,
             just like all of you. But I know him,
             and I do what he says.
 

  The Contemporary English [computer file], electronic ed., Logos Library System,
   (Nashville: Thomas Nelson) 1997, c1995 by the American Bible Society.

John 8:31-55 NLT
         31 Jesus said to the people who believed in him, 
                “You are truly my disciples if you keep 
                 obeying my teachings.
            32 And you will know the truth, and the truth 
                 will set you free.”
            33 “But we are descendants of Abraham,” they 
                   said. “We have never been slaves to
                   anyone on earth. 
                   What do you mean, ‘set free’?”
            34 Jesus replied, “I assure you that everyone 
                    who sins is a slave of sin.
            35 A slave is not a permanent member of the 
                    family, but a son is part of the family forever.
            36 So if the Son sets you free, you will indeed be free.
            37 Yes, I realize that you are descendants of 
                     Abraham. And yet some of you are trying 
                     to kill me because my message does not 
                     find a place in your hearts.
  John 8:51
               51 I assure you, anyone who obeys my 
                     teaching will never die!”
               52 The people said, “Now we know you are 
                      possessed by a demon. Even Abraham 
                      and the prophets died, but you say that 
                       those who obey your teaching will never 
                       die!
               53 Are you greater than our father Abraham,
                      who died? Are you greater than the 
                      prophets,  who died? Who do you think 
                      you are?”
               54 Jesus answered, “If I am merely boasting 
                      about myself, it doesn’t count. But it is my 
                      Father who says these glorious things 
                      about me. You say, ‘He is our God,’
               55 but you do not even know him. I know him.
                       If I said otherwise, I would be as great a 
                       liar as you! But it is true—I know him 
                       and obey him.
     Holy Bible, New Living Translation,
     (Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers, Inc.) 1996.
    As time goes on the Church will be usher in by the Holy Ghost at the day of Pentecost.
Acts chapters 1 and 2. The Lord added to the Church. The Lords church. Not the local Visible church. 
He adds to the bride of Christ. The invisible (spiritual) church started on the day of Pentecost (Acts 1:4-5, 8)
 and will end at Christ second coming. 
(Dan 7:13-14; Mat 24:30; Mat 25:31; Mark 13:26; Luke 21:27; John 14:3; 1Thes 1:10; 1 Thess 4:16;
 2 Thess 1:7-10; Rev 1:7 ). Cp Acts 1:11
    In verse 32 Christ tells them they will know the truth if they will just follow His words. Christ goes on to tell
 them this truth will make them free. Again still looking from the material point of view his followers still missed
 what Christ was telling . They had preconceived ideas. Many souls today try to reason the spiritual things by
 the material. 1 Cor 2:14; Jude 1:19; John 6:45; 2 Cor 4:4-6; 1 John 2:20; 1 John 2:27; 1John 5:20.

      [Bible in Basic English] (1 Corinthians 2:14)
                                                       For the natural man is not able to take in the things of the Spirit of God:
                                                       for they seem foolish to him, and he is not able to have knowledge of them,
                                                       because such knowledge comes only through the Spirit.
        Just because they were descendants of Abraham’s the Jews believed they had all one needed. One of the sad
 thing is the spokesman for this group made a false statement . He said the descendant’s of Abraham had never
 been slaves. See not everyone speaking in the bible is telling the truth. The nation had been in Egypt, at the
 present time they were under the rule of the Romans. I agree nothing in history has captured the Spirit of the
nation of Israel. 
    Jesus replied in a way as to not argue with them over minor affairs, but went to the heart of the problem sin.
 Many in the past and today fail to let God save their soul. Lots remain unsaved because their minds are poisoned
by the teachings of man. The number one rule of bible study is to read the passages.
Ever have trouble reading a sentence in life or reading a manual. In the reading one may sometime have to read
the sentence several times in order to read it correctly. The reason is the way we were taught. 
     Jesus not only saved our souls from Hell, He saved the true believer from the bondage of sin.
Our Saviour saves one from the power of sin. Have you turned it all over to Jesus? Is Christ your Lord and
Master? Is Jesus and his Father God powerful enough they can save your soul? John 8:16; John 10:27-30.
Or do they lose their grip on your soul? If they can save your soul they can keep it saved.  2 Tim 1:12; Heb 7:25.

      When one accepts Christ finished work, they are born into the family of God.  Eph 3:14-15.
        John 11:52; John 12:36; John 13:33; John 1:12.
       A slave can be given their freedom, sold, and ECT. The son of a family is a son or child Forever,
 Everlasting, Eternal. 
            [Bible in Basic English] (John 8:36)
                                                                   If then the son makes you free, you will be truly free.
   In many countries of the world groups of factions are at war because they are descendants of this person or
 that person. It is so strong they are willing to fight for their so called rights to the death.
   The choice of accepting Christ as your personal saviour is a choice the individual has to make themselves.
Your father or mother can only present the Gospel to you. That along will not save your soul from the power of Sin. 
    You have to accept Christ as your personal saviour. His work is the Good News. 1 Cor 15:1-11.
In verse 37 Jesus said you ( The Jews, the disciples ) are ready to kill me.
The disciples (not the twelve) had no room for his words. The Gospel didn’t even prick their hearts. Heb 4:12.
From here we skip to verses 51 . please read the ones in between.
The Gospel was hidden to these because they were lost. Just because one say they are saved doesn’t make it true.
   2 Cor 4:3.
In the KJV Verily, verily, is repeated twice making this a subject to be notice as important.
Jesus’ saying is the Gospel. John 14:6
                [Bible in Basic English] (John 14:6)
                                                                              Jesus said to him, I am the true and living way: no one comes to the Father but by me. 
      There are only so many ways that it can be said. The bible continues to say Jesus is the way.
It never says one needs to have water baptism to be saved. Water is simply only a picture of the Gospel. 
Verses 52 The Jews because of their traditions which were taught by the leaders of their time had a closed mind. 
They even accused  Christ of being demon-possessed. Jews even today look upon Christ as a great teacher.
By this time the disciples had seen all of the works of God Jesus had done, they should have known who He was.
       These people acted as if they knew God which in reality there was no knowledge in their hearts. 
They were lost Bound for the Lake of Fire. Rev 19:20; Rev 20:10; Rev 20:14-15.
                     Bible in Basic English] (Revelation 20:15)
                                                                               And if anyone's name was not in the book of life, he went down into the sea of fire.

      Before one can lose God’s Salvation of their soul that have to be saved by God.
If God does the saving He is powerful enough to do the keeping. Man is too sinful to have anything to do with his
 Salvation of his soul. On the cross Christ gave His life they did not take his life from Him.
God raised Christ from the dead. (John 4:34; John 19:30).  He walked on earth for about forty or more day
 teaching His disciples. Acts 1:-5
On the day of Pentecost the Holy Ghost came. He brought all things to remembrance.
The Lord added to the Church. Acts 1:8; Acts 2:1-4.

Smart men have trouble accepting Christ as saviour. Smart men are not necessary wise.
Only a wise man or women gets saved. 

      [Bible in Basic English] (Romans 5:8)
                           5:8  But God has made clear his love to us, in that, when we were still sinners, Christ gave his life for us.
                           6:23 For the reward of sin is death; but what God freely gives is eternal life in Jesus Christ our Lord.

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