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Seventy Times Seven.
 

I.
 

Mt 18:15  Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go 
                and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he 
                shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 
           16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or 
                two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses 
                every word may be established. 
           17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the 
                church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be 
                unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. 
           18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth 
                shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose 
                on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 
           19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on 
               earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be 
               done for them of my Father which is in heaven. 
           20 For where two or three are gathered together in my 
                name, there am I in the midst of them. 
          21  Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall 
               my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven 
               times? 
          22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven 
               times: but, Until seventy times seven.
 
 

   God had not sent his Holy Spirit as of present.
   The Church was not yet. The meaning then wasany assembly.

    Many Students of the Bible use this passage as authority to bring 
someone before the church for discipline which usually means the are going
oust him or her out of the Local Church.
From careful reading one finds the following:
   1. The meaning of words Gr. ecclesia (ek=="out of," kaleo =="to call"),
       an assembly of  called out ones.  The word is used of any assembly; 
       the word itself implies no more, as, e.g., the town-meeting at Ephesus
        #Ac 19:39 and Israel, called out of Egypt and assembled in the
       wilderness #Ac 7:38.  Israel was a true "church," but not in any sense
       the N.T. church--the only point of similarity being that both were
       "called out" and by  the same God.  All else is contrast. 
        (As Per the Old Scofield Oxford Press)
    2: This was an assembly, or court. Legal in court was 2 or 3 witness. 
        A word of caution.
    3. Give the person the benefit of doubt. You could have miss understood.
    4. Were two or three are gathered there is Jesus. Sounds Like a Church.
    5. Be careful in this matter. What you do (Bound) on earth is bound in Heaven. 
      Loose on earth is loose in heaven. 
    6. Don't take this likely .
         Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a 
                   man soweth, that shall  he also reap. 
              6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap 
                  corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the 
                  Spirit reap life everlasting.
    7. Be very careful of a Church (Pastor ) that tries to control you.
        Our Lord and Saviour Gave the right to Chose, He Sent the Comforter to Guide each person
    8. Elders sometimes use this to cover their short coming. Or to discourage some from contending
        for the faith. Jude 1:3 
    9. People are getting out of Dead, Dry, and Churches that seem to believe in the power of man
         rather than the Power of a Powerful, Holy God. They want to hold their Church Letters.

        The Letters tell the Character of the member thereforth then in effect belong to the believer . 
        The believer is born into the Lord's church. Act 18:27.  Letters were Granted. Please READ 
        VERSES.

  10. The Churches is made up of believers. There is a doctrine that a Church has to be extend the 
       arm before they are Scriptural. 
      Jesus gave all of the commands to the Believers. It is the duty of the believer to pass the
      Gospel on. Salvation is not in the Church but Through Christ work on the Cross.
      Read verse 20.
  11. Finally in verses 22 Seventy times seventy. We are to keep Forgiving. 
       A church that is not willing to forgive is saying that Christ did not Finish ourSalvation
         on the cross. He said it is Finished.
  12. Discipline means from Webster's New School & Office 
       Dictionary:.
        n. "Menial or moral training; education; subjection to control; 
             military regulation; chastisement; an instrument of 
             punishment; v. t. to train to obedience or efficiency; 
             regulate; chastise".  There are words in this definition that 
             need explaining.

        The meaning that the bible attaches to it is To train or nurture along. 
         The word comes from Disciple, 
          Dictionary used above. Defines it as :
           n. one who receives the teaching of another; a scholar; a follower. 

II. 
         1. In Eph Chapter 4 it tells of The Walk and Service of The Believer. 
 
         2. Again in I Tim 5:6 - 25 it tells in verses to rebuke them of  sin that others my fear
             God. Not to discipline them in such a way that others see the harshness of your discipline. 
           Some use it to the point it becomes brainwashing. Look at what verse 22 states. 
          We are to be very careful. 
          A church we had been in Disciplined a man, bible carrying God fearing man. 
          The reason the pastor disciplined him was because he fell a sleep on this lady's Couch in 
            the summer. 
            At one O'clock in the morning. The Man was ninety plus years old, the lady was 
           eight plus years old. What was the Pastor doing out at that time of night?
           He is no longer a Pastor any where. His marriage is no more. You must take care of the
           Home front first.
                     Mat 7:3  And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye,
                                    but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 
                I have said to be very careful in this matter. God's word Tells us to save that  brother.
          Once you throw them out of the church, The chance of God using people, God's word goes 
         down.
          People forget about them equals less pray for them. 
            again This pastor that did this is no longer a preacher, his wife has left him.
         Matt 7:1 - 6; John 8:1 - 11. The People involved needs to check The Own sins. 
         Be Careful. The message is very clear. 1 Peter 2:1 - 3:15; James 5:1 - 11.
             It must be done Prayerfully. Lead by the Holy Ghost.
         Remember God gave a us a freewill and he has never messed with a person freedom of 
          choice. 
 
          Eph 6:7. 
            Usually when it gets that bad there is something wrong with the spirit of that church. 
         The pastor is not preaching the word. The beauifty of preaching in the Spirit is to preach
          about a sin you do not know is going on.
         The Holy Spirit uses the Word Of God. Heb 4:12.
             In closing one need to take a serious look at our actions.
             1 Cor Chapter13. Charity means Love. 
 
 
 

Please Pray for our work. 
JCMSOH James C Morgan 


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